Posts tagged with "Coding"

Evolve Words

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This follows on from my previous post. If you've not read that, it's worth having a dive in first for the background.

The Ruby code I mention, that was written back in 2008, was actually a pair of scripts. The first one, called selection, did what visual-selection does, only visual-selection does it with a nice TUI interface: it takes a random collection of letters and symbols and evolves them into a target phrase.

As covered before: I don't remember all of the details of the conversation that was going on at the time, but I do seem to remember something along the lines of "yes, but you start out and end up with something the same length" and "nothing more complex is made" (let's gloss over the whole "complex" thing for now... well okay let's just gloss over it, end of story; this is just a fun coding exercise).

What I do remember is that the seed of an idea was planted. Fine: how about I start off with one small word, and using a list of English words as the "fitness landscape" that the mutations had to survive in, mutate a population over and over and see what happens. Would I "randomly" create known words, with fewer letters, with the same letters, with more letters?

So this version of the code randomly did three forms of mutation: it would randomly flip a letter, or randomly delete a letter, or randomly insert a random letter. It would do this over and over and eliminate words that aren't in the original list (the simple form of selecting for survival within the landscape).

Like I said last time: never going to convince anyone of anything, but fun to write some code.

This version became selection2.

So, having turned selection into a TUI application with Textual, I had to do the same with this code...

Evolve Words

As before, because it's fun to do so, this leans heavily on the worker API and textual-plotext.

If you want to check out the app itself there's a GitHub repo and it can also be installed from PyPi using pipx.

Visual Selection

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Over the last few weeks I've had a couple of sessions of working on a library to wrap Plotext -- a popular terminal-based plotting library for Python -- so that it can easily be used in Textual apps; textual-plotext is the result.

I feel it's come together pretty well

But... I've been itching to find a reason to use it in a project of my own.

Meanwhile...

Back in the mid-2000s, when phpBB systems were still the fashion, I used to hang out on a site that was chiefly aimed at the atheist and secular humanist crowd. We'd get a good number of drive-by YEC types who'd want to argue (sorry... debate) and often talk nonsense about biology and the like.

Now, I'm no biologist, I'm no scientist, I'm just a hacker who likes to write code for fun and profit; so any time there was a chance to write some code to help illustrate an idea I'd jump at the chance. I forget the detail now -- this was back in 2008; 15 years ago as of the time of writing -- but one time I remember a conversation was taking place where someone was just flat out claiming that "random mutation" can only cause "loss of information" and could never lead to a "desired result", or some such thing.

If you've ever had, read or watched those debates, you'll know the sort of thing I mean.

So that got me thinking back then, could I write something that could give a simple illustration of how this doesn't quite make sense?

So I had a little hacking session and came up with some Ruby code1 that did what I felt was the job. You'd give it a phrase you wanted it to generate (a stand-in for the current "fitness landscape", in effect), it would then generate a totally random string of that length, and then would set about mutating it, finding mutations that were "fitter" than others (a stand in for selection), breed the best two so far (randomly copy one chunk from another to create a child), then repeat over and over.

When I first wrote it I wasn't sure what to expect; would it ever finish given a reasonably large target string?

It did.

It was fun to code.

It got posted to the BB and of course wasn't in any way persuasive to them (honestly I never expected it would be). I seem to recall it being hand-waved away with calls of there obviously being an intelligent designer involved2.

Anyway, the "meanwhile..." in this: a few times this year I've thought it could be fun to rework this in Python (it's really not that complex after all; just a string-chopping loop really) and use Textual to put a fun UI on it.

So, that's what I did, complete with textual-plotext plot:

Visual Selection in action

While, 15 years on, this isn't going to convince anyone of the underlying point, I think it does serve a good educational purpose. It shows that you can create a fun UI for the terminal, with Textual, with not a lot of code. It also shows off how you can easily create dynamic plots. Plus -- and I think this might be the really important one -- it shows you can write "traditional" tight-loop code in a Textual application and still have a responsive UI; all thanks to the worker API.

The heart of the code for this application is this:

environment = Environment("This is the target string we want to create!")
while not environment.best_fit_found:
    environment.shit_happens()

Sure, there's some detail in the Environment class, but you get the idea: while we've not hit the target, let life find a way. A loop like that would totally bog down an application with a UI without some other work taking place. With Textual and workers the resulting method in the application, complete with code to send updates to the UI, really doesn't look much different:

@work(thread=True, exclusive=True)
def run_world(self, target: str) -> None:
    worker = get_current_worker()
    environment = Environment(target)
    iterations = 0
    self.post_message(self.WorldUpdate(environment, iterations, *environment.best))
    while not worker.is_cancelled and not environment.best_fit_found:
        environment.shit_happens()
        iterations += 1
        if (iterations % 1000) == 0 or environment.best_fit_found:
            self.post_message(
                self.WorldUpdate(environment, iterations, *environment.best)
            )
    if environment.best_fit_found:
        self.post_message(self.Finished(iterations))

I honestly think the worker API is one of the coolest things added to Textual and I so often see people have real "woah!" moments when they get to grips with it.

Anyway... I've covered science, religion, and how Ruby is better than Python, so I'm sure I've annoyed almost everyone. Job done I guess. ;-)

If you want to check out the app itself there's a GitHub repo and it can also be installed from PyPi using pipx.

Expect it to be my tinker project of choice for a wee while; there's a couple of other things I'd like to add to it.


  1. Possibly unpopular opinion with some folk who will read this, but I've long been a fan of Ruby as a language and actually generally prefer it to Python. 

  2. Me, the coder. While utterly missing the point of a simple illustration, while apparently not understanding the concept of an analogy, I guess at least they felt I was intelligent? 

astare v0.8.0 released

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textual-astare is another Textual-based Python project that I've developed in the last year and I don't believe I've mentioned on this blog. Simply put, it's a took for viewing the abstract syntax tree of Python code, in the terminal.

astare in action

I've just made a small update to it this evening after someone asked for a sensible change I've been meaning to do for a while. When I first read the request I was going to look at it next week, when I have some time off work, but you know how it is when you sit at your desk and have a "quick look".

So anyway, yeah, v0.8.0 is out there and can be installed, with the main changes being:

  • Updated textual-fspicker
  • Updated textual
  • Made it so you can open a directory to browser from the command line.
  • Made opening the current working directory the default.
  • Tweaked the way dark/light mode get toggled so that it's now command-palette-friendly.

I think the code does need a wee bit of tidying -- this was one of my earliest apps built with Textual and my approach to writing Textual apps has changed a fair bit this year, and Textual itself has grown and improved in that time -- but it's still working well for now.

Mandelbrot Commands

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I don't think I've mentioned it before on this blog, but some time back I decided it would be fun to use Textual to write a Mandelbrot explorer (simple Mandelbrot explorers have been another one of my favourite known problem to try an unknown thing problems). Doing it in the terminal seemed like a fun little hack. I started off with creating textual-canvas and then built textual-mandelbrot on top of that.

Not too long back I added a "command palette" to Textual (I'd prefer to call it a minibuffer, but I get that that's not fashionable these days), but so far I've not used it in any of my own projects; earlier today I thought it could be fun to add it to textual-mandelbrot.

Mandelbrot commands in action

Most of the commands I've added are trivial and really better covered by (and are covered by) keystrokes, but it was a good test and a way to show off how to create a command provider.

Having started this I can see some more useful things to add: for example it might be interesting to add a facility where you can bookmark a specific location, zoom level, iteration value, etc, and revisit later. The command palette would feel like a great way to pull back those bookmarks.

What I really liked though was how easy this was to do. The code to make the commands available is pretty trivial and, I believe, easy to follow. Although I do say so myself I think I managed to design a very accessible API for this.

There's more I'd like to add to that (the Textual command palette itself, I mean), of course; this was just the start. Support for commands that accept and prompt for arguments would be a neat and obvious enhancement (especially if done in a way that's reminiscent of how commands could be defined in CLIM -- I remember really liking how you could create self-documenting and self-completing commands in that).

All in good time...

Textual Query Sandbox Update

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Since quickly hacking together textual-query-sandbox a few days back, I've made a bunch of small changes here and there. While most have been cosmetic and playing with some ideas, some have also been internal improvements that should make the tool work better.

The most prominent change is one I pondered in the previous post, where I thought it might be interesting to have a small collection of playgrounds grounded together with a TabbedContent. So as of now the tool still has the original playground which had an emphasis on nested containers:

Playground 1

There's now a playground with an emphasis on selecting widgets within containers1:

Playground 2

There's also now a playground that has an emphasis on pulling out widgets based on ID and classes:

Playground 3

The other change you will notice from the original post is the DOM tree shown in the bottom right corner. Note that that isn't there to show your query result (that's the bottom left panel), it's there to help picture how the DOM in the current playground hangs together, and will hopefully help in picturing the structure for when you write a query.

I sense there's still a lot of fun things I could add to this, and I'm still keen on the idea of having the playgrounds "soft coded" in some way, so people can make their own and load them up.

Another thing I want to try and work on is making the display as useful as possible. While I think it's actually pretty neat and clear, there's not a lot of space2 available to show the playground and the results. Finding a good balance is an interesting problem.

For a number of reasons this is turning into a really enjoyable tinker project.


  1. This is, of course, slightly nonsensical wording. Containers are widgets in Textual. Pretty much everything you see in your terminal is a widget, even a Screen is a widget. 

  2. A lot of this of course hinges on how big someone's terminal is. I tend to run a fairly high resolutions with the smallest font I find readable so my terminal windows are often pretty "big"; other people tend to have something much smaller in terms of cell with/height. 

Textual Query Sandbox

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Sometimes I can have an idea for a Textual widget, library or application on my ideas list for weeks, months even, before I get around to it -- mostly just due to not having the clear time to make a run at getting it going -- and then other times an idea can pop into my head and it has to be created there and then. Has to be!

This happened yesterday evening.

While the tool I built is something I'd thought of before (back around November last year I think) it hadn't even made it to my "list of stuff I should make" that I keep in Apple Reminders; not sure why really. But then yesterday evening a question cropped up on the Textual Discord server that related to the subject and I was reminded of it.

The subject being: Textual DOM queries. I like to think that DOM queries in Textual are pretty easy to do, and well-explained in the docs, but it's fair to admit that they need a bit of practice first, just like any powerful tool. So I was reminded that I'd wanted to write a sandbox application, that would have a practice DOM inside it, an input field to type in a query, and a way of displaying the results.

So textual-query-sandbox was born!

Textual Query Sandbox

In this very first version (which was really quickly put together -- it was something like 15 minutes to write the main code and then probably 45 minutes tweaking styles, adding all the admin stuff to allow deployment to PyPi and writing the README) there's an Input, a display of a group of nested containers with different IDs and classes, and then a Pretty widget at the bottom to show the query result.

If you think this looks like it might be useful to you, it can be installed using either pip or (ideally) pipx:

pipx install textual-query-sandbox

and then you can run it with:

tqs

At which point load up the Textual query docs, type queries into the input field, hit enter and see what gets highlighted and which widgets end up in the result set at the bottom of the screen.

Like I say: this was a quick hack yesterday evening, I think there's a lot more can go into this. For one thing I think a more interesting practice DOM would be a good idea, with a good mix of widgets; another thing could be having a collection of different DOM playgrounds that can be switched between (a TabbedContent of different playgrounds could be fun here); this could even be taken further such that the user can create their own playground DOM to practice against.

Eventually it would be neat if this could be turned into a library that can be included in a Textual application, as a development-time debug tool, so that on-the-fly test queries can be made.

For now though, it's started, it's under way, and I think the current version probably covers 90% of the use cases for something like this; making for a really quick and easy tool to double-check how to query something.

Unbored v0.6.0

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Late on last year I wrote about a bunch of new things that I'd added to PyPi, things mostly kicked off by an early dog-fooding session we had at textual HQ. Since then I've been slowly doing my best to keep the applications up to date with Textual.

Unbored

As much as possible we try and not make breaking changes with the framework, but at the same time it is still 0.x software and there's still new ways of doing things being designed so there's going to be the odd break in approach now and again.

Unbored, my kind of silly self-populating TODO list application, has been sitting atop Textual 0.20.x for a while now and earlier today I checked how it was getting in with 0.32.0 and... actually surprisingly okay. Not perfect, there were a couple of things that had suffered from bitrot, but it wasn't crashing.

The main thing I needed to change was the ability to focus a couple of containers (they didn't used to receive focus by default, now they do so I had to tell them not to again), and that was about it.

While I was in there I also updated the application so that I dropped the nifty little slide-in error dialog I'd made, and instead embraced the new Textual notification system.

While the application itself is a bit silly, and likely of no real use to anyone, I feel it's a pretty good barometer application, helping me check what the experience is like when it comes to maintaining a Textual application and the needs to keep on top of changes to Textual.

It goes without saying, I hope, that really you should pin the Textual dependency for your applications, and upgrade in a controlled and tested way; for this though it's less crucial and is a good test of the state of the ecosystem, and on the remote chance that anyone is using it, it'll be helpful to me if it does break and they yell.

textual-canvas v0.2.0

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Demo of textual-canvas

Given that for a good chunk of this year I've been a bit lax about writing here, there's a couple or so coding projects I've not written about (well, not on here anyway -- I have spoken lots about them over on Fosstodon). One such project is textual-canvas.

As the name might suggest, it's a "canvas" for Textual applications, which provides a pretty basic interface for drawing pixels, lines and circles -- and of course any other shape you are able to build up from those basics.

I've just released a quick update after it was requested that I add a clear method to the Canvas widget; a request that makes perfect sense.

A new GitHub profile README

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My new GitHub banner

Ever since GitHub introduced the profile README1 I've had a massively low-effort one in place. I made the repo, quickly wrote the file, and then sort of forgot about it. Well, I didn't so much forget as just keep looking at it and thinking "I should do something better with that one day".

Thing is, while there are lots of fancy approaches out there, and lots of neat generator tools and the like... they just weren't for me.

Then yesterday, over my second morning coffee, after getting my blog environment up and going again, I had an idea. It could be cool to use Textual's screenshot facility to make something terminal-themed! I mean, while it's not all I am these days, so much of what I'm doing right now is aimed at the terminal.

So... what to do? Then I thought it could be cool to knock up some sort of login screen type thing; with a banner. One visit to an online large terminal text generator site later, I had some banner text. All that was left was to write a simple Textual application to create the "screen".

The main layout is simple enough:

def compose(self) -> ComposeResult:
    yield Label(NAME, classes="banner")
    yield Label(PRATTLE)
    yield Label("github.com/davep login: [reverse] [/]")

where NAME contains the banner and PRATTLE contains the "login message". With some Textual CSS sprinkled over it to give the exact layout and colour I wanted, all that was left was to make the snapshot. This was easy enough too.

While the whole thing isn't fully documented just yet, Textual does have a great tool for automatically running an application and interacting with it; that meant I could easily write a function to load up my app and save the screenshot:

async def make_banner() -> None:
    async with GitHubBannerApp().run_test() as pilot:
        pilot.app.save_screenshot("davep.svg")

Of course, that needs running async, but that's simple enough:

if __name__ == "__main__":
    asyncio.run(make_banner())

Throw in a Makefile so I don't forget what I'm supposed to run:

.PHONY: all
all:
    pipenv run python make_banner.py

and that's it! Job done!

From here onward I guess I could have some real fun with this. It would be simple enough I guess to modify the code so that it changes what's displayed over time; perhaps show a "last login" value that relates to recently activity or something; any number of things; and then run it in a cron job and update the repository.

For now though... I'll stick with keeping things nice and simple.


  1. It was actually kind of annoying when they introduced it because the repo it uses is named after your user name. I already had a davep repo: it was a private repo where I was slowly working on a (now abandoned, I'll start it again some day I'm sure) ground-up rewrite of my davep.org website. 

So you're looking for a wee bit of Textual help...

(Modified: 2026-04-28 09:34:45 UTC+01:00)
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Introduction

Patience, Highlander. You have done well. But it'll take time. You are generations being born and dying. You are at one with all living things. Each man's thoughts and dreams are yours to know. You have power beyond imagination. Use it well, my friend. Don't lose your head.

Juan Sánchez Villalobos Ramírez, Chief metallurgist to King Charles V of Spain

As of the time of writing, I'm a couple or so days off having been with Textualize for 3 months. It's been fun, and educational, and every bit as engaging as I'd hoped, and more. One thing I hadn't quite prepared for though, but which I really love, is how so many other people are learning Textual along with me.

Even in those three months the library has changed and expanded quite a lot, and it continues to do so. Meanwhile, more people are turning up and using the framework; you can see this online in social media, blogs and of course in the ever-growing list of projects on GitHub which depend on Textual.

This inevitably means there's a lot of people getting to grips with a new tool, and one that is still a bit of a moving target. This in turn means lots of people are coming to us to get help.

As I've watched this happen I've noticed a few patterns emerging. Some of these good or neutral, some... let's just say not really beneficial to those seeking the help, or to those trying to provide the help. So I wanted to write a little bit about the different ways you can get help with Textual and your Textual-based projects, and to also try and encourage people to take the most helpful and positive approach to getting that help.

Now, before I go on, I want to make something very clear: I'm writing this as an individual. This is my own personal view, and my own advice from me to anyone who wishes to take it. It's not Textual (the project) or Textualize (the company) policy, rules or guidelines. This is just some ageing hacker's take on how best to go about asking for help, informed by years of asking for and also providing help in email, on Usenet, on forums, etc.

Or, put another way: if what you read in here seems sensible to you, I figure we'll likely have already hit it off over on GitHub or in the Discord server. ;-)

Where to go for help

At this point this is almost a bit of an FAQ itself, so I thought I'd address it here: where's the best place to ask for help about Textual, and what's the difference between GitHub Issues, Discussions and our Discord server?

I'd suggest thinking of them like this:

Discord

You have a question, or need help with something, and perhaps you could do with a reply as soon as possible. But, and this is the really important part, it doesn't matter if you don't get a response. If you're in this situation then the Discord server is possibly a good place to start. If you're lucky someone will be hanging about who can help out.

I can't speak for anyone else, but keep this in mind: when I look in on Discord I tend not to go scrolling back much to see if anything has been missed. If something catches my eye, I'll try and reply, but if it doesn't... well, it's mostly an instant chat thing so I don't dive too deeply back in time.

ℹ️ Note

As a slight aside here: sometimes people will pop up in Discord, ask a question about something that turns out looking like a bug, and that's the last we hear of it. Please, please, please, if this happens, the most helpful thing you can do is go raise an issue for us. It'll help us to keep track of problems, it'll help get your problem fixed, it'll mean everyone benefits.

My own advice would be to treat Discord as an ephemeral resource. It happens in the moment but fades away pretty quickly. It's like knocking on a friend's door to see if they're in. If they're not in, you might leave them a note, which is sort of like going to...

GitHub

On the other hand, if you have a question or need some help or something where you want to stand a good chance of the Textual developers (amongst others) seeing it and responding, I'd recommend that GitHub is the place to go. Dropping something into the discussions there, or leaving an issue, ensures it'll get seen. It won't get lost.

As for which you should use -- a discussion or an issue -- I'd suggest this: if you need help with something, or you want to check your understanding of something, or you just want to be sure something is a problem before taking it further, a discussion might be the best thing. On the other hand, if you've got a clear bug or feature request on your hands, an issue makes a lot of sense.

Don't worry if you're not sure which camp your question or whatever falls into though; go with what you think is right. There's no harm done either way (I may move an issue to a discussion first before replying, if it's really just a request for help -- but that's mostly so everyone can benefit from finding it in the right place later on down the line).

The dos and don'ts of getting help

Now on to the fun part. This is where I get a bit preachy. Ish. Kinda. A little bit. Again, please remember, this isn't a set of rules, this isn't a set of official guidelines, this is just a bunch of "if you want my advice, and I know you didn't ask but you've read this far so you actually sort of did, don't say I didn't warn you!" waffle.

This isn't going to be an exhaustive collection, far from it. But I feel these are some important highlights.

Do...

When looking for help, in any of the locations mentioned above, I'd totally encourage:

Be clear and detailed

Too much detail is almost always way better than not enough. "My program didn't run", often even with some of the code supplied, is so much harder to help than "I ran this code I'm posting here, and I expected this particular outcome, and I expected it because I'd read this particular thing in the docs and had comprehended it to mean this, but instead the outcome was this exception here, and I'm a bit stuck -- can someone offer some pointers?"

The former approach means there often ends up having to be a back and forth which can last a long time, and which can sometimes be frustrating for the person asking. Manage frustration: be clear, tell us everything you can.

Say what resources you've used already

If you've read the portions of the documentation that relate to what you're trying to do, it's going to be really helpful if you say so. If you don't, it might be assumed you haven't and you may end up being pointed at them.

So, please, if you've checked the documentation, looked in the FAQ, done a search of past issues or discussions or perhaps even done a search on the Discord server... please say so.

Be polite

This one can go a long way when looking for help. Look, I get it, programming is bloody frustrating at times. We've all rage-quit some code at some point, I'm sure. It's likely going to be your moment of greatest frustration when you go looking for help. But if you turn up looking for help acting all grumpy and stuff it's not going to come over well. Folk are less likely to be motivated to lend a hand to someone who seems rather annoyed.

If you throw in a please and thank-you here and there that makes it all the better.

Fully consider the replies

You could find yourself getting a reply that you're sure won't help at all. That's fair. But be sure to fully consider it first. Perhaps you missed the obvious along the way and this is 100% the course correction you'd unknowingly come looking for in the first place. Sure, the person replying might have totally misunderstood what was being asked, or might be giving a wrong answer (it me! I've totally done that and will again!), but even then a reply along the lines of "I'm not sure that's what I'm looking for, because..." gets everyone to the solution faster than "lol nah".

Entertain what might seem like odd questions

Aye, I get it, being asked questions when you're looking for an answer can be a bit frustrating. But if you find yourself on the receiving end of a small series of questions about your question, keep this in mind: Textual is still rather new and still developing and it's possible that what you're trying to do isn't the correct way to do that thing. To the person looking to help you it may seem to them you have an XY problem.

Entertaining those questions might just get you to the real solution to your problem.

Allow for language differences

You don't need me to tell you that a project such as Textual has a global audience. With that rather obvious fact comes the other fact that we don't all share the same first language. So, please, as much as possible, try and allow for that. If someone is trying to help you out, and they make it clear they're struggling to follow you, keep this in mind.

Acknowledge the answer

I suppose this is a variation on "be polite" (really, a thanks can go a long way), but there's more to this than a friendly acknowledgement. If someone has gone to the trouble of offering some help, it's helpful to everyone who comes after you to acknowledge if it worked or not. That way a future help-seeker will know if the answer they're reading stands a chance of being the right one.

Accept that Textual is zero-point software (right now)

Of course the aim is to have every release of Textual be stable and useful, but things will break. So, please, do keep in mind things like:

  • Textual likely doesn't have your feature of choice just yet.
  • We might accidentally break something (perhaps pinning Textual and testing each release is a good plan here?).
  • We might deliberately break something because we've decided to take a particular feature or way of doing things in a better direction.

Of course it can be a bit frustrating at times, but overall the aim is to have the best framework possible in the long run.

Don't...

Okay, now for a bit of old-hacker finger-wagging. Here's a few things I'd personally discourage:

Lack patience

Sure, it can be annoying. You're in your flow, you've got a neat idea for a thing you want to build, you're stuck on one particular thing and you really need help right now! Thing is, that's unlikely to happen. Badgering individuals, or a whole resource, to reply right now, or complaining that it's been $TIME_PERIOD since you asked and nobody has replied... that's just going to make people less likely to reply.

Unnecessarily tag individuals

This one often goes hand in hand with the "lack patience" thing: Be it asking on Discord, or in GitHub issues, discussions or even PRs, unnecessarily tagging individuals is a bit rude. Speaking for myself and only myself: I love helping folk with Textual. If I could help everyone all the time the moment they have a problem, I would. But it doesn't work like that. There's any number of reasons I might not be responding to a particular request, including but not limited to (here I'm talking personally because I don't want to speak for anyone else, but I'm sure I'm not alone here):

  • I have a job. Sure, my job is (in part) Textual, but there's more to it than that particular issue. I might be doing other stuff.
  • I have my own projects to work on too. I like coding for fun as well (or writing preaching old dude blog posts like this I guess, but you get the idea).
  • I actually have other interests outside of work hours so I might actually be out doing a 10k in the local glen, or battling headcrabs in VR, or something.
  • Housework. :-/

You get the idea though. So while I'm off having a well-rounded life, it's not good to get unnecessarily intrusive alerts to something that either a) doesn't actually directly involve me or b) could wait.

Seek personal support

Again, I'm going to speak totally for myself here, but I also feel the general case is polite for all: there's a lot of good support resources available already; sending DMs on Discord or Twitter or in the Fediverse, looking for direct personal support, isn't really the best way to get help. Using the public/collective resources is absolutely the best way to get that help. Why's it a bad idea to dive into DMs? Here's some reasons I think it's not a good idea:

  • It's a variation on "unnecessarily tagging individuals".
  • You're short-changing yourself when it comes to getting help. If you ask somewhere more public you're asking a much bigger audience, who collectively have more time, more knowledge and more experience than a single individual.
  • Following on from that, any answers can be (politely) fact-checked or enhanced by that audience, resulting in a better chance of getting the best help possible.
  • The next seeker-of-help gets to miss out on your question and the answer. If asked and answered in public, it's a record that can help someone else in the future.
Doubt your ability or skill level

I suppose this should really be phrased as a do rather than a don't, as here I want to encourage something positive. A few times I've helped people out who have been very apologetic about their questions being "noob" questions, or about how they're fairly new to Python, or programming in general. Really, please, don't feel the need to apologise and don't be ashamed of where you're at.

If you've asked something that's obviously answered in the documentation, that's not a problem; you'll likely get pointed at the docs and it's what happens next that's the key bit. If the attitude is "oh, cool, that's exactly what I needed to be reading, thanks!" that's a really positive thing. The only time it's a problem is when there's a real reluctance to use the available resources. We've all seen that person somewhere at some point, right? ;-)

Not knowing things is totally cool.

Conclusion

So, that's my waffle over. As I said at the start: this is my own personal thoughts on how to get help with Textual, both as someone whose job it is to work on Textual and help people with Textual, and also as a FOSS advocate and supporter who can normally be found helping Textual users when he's not "on the clock" too.

What I've written here isn't exhaustive. Neither is it novel. Plenty has been written on the general subject in the past, and I'm sure more will be written on the subject in the future. I do, however, feel that these are the most common things I notice. I'd say those dos and don'ts cover 90% of "can I get some help?" interactions; perhaps closer to 99%.

Finally, and I think this is the most important thing to remember, the next time you are battling some issue while working with Textual: don't lose your head!

ℹ️ Note

This advice blog post was first hosted on the Textual devlog.